台北當代藝術館 MoCA on Air

【節目簡介】並不很久很久以前，一位將AI融入創作中的藝術家如是說：「AI不僅僅是一種工具，或者一種與我們共生的夥伴，它更像是人類語言的鏡子，能夠啟發並且幫助我們更好地理解自身。」當語言不再是人類專屬的能力，AI能否為語言及其產生的內容與意義創造新的機會？AI在理解人類語言符號結構方面，又存在著哪些侷限和風險？我們應該如何與AI相處，並且在合作的同時確保安全與可控性？人類與AI之間的關係將有哪些可能？在本集節目中，由台北當代藝術館「你好，人類！」展覽策展人的AI合成聲音——AI蔡宏賢主持，MoCA on Air團隊與Google Gemini，邀請藝術家楊雨樵探究人工智慧對人類、對語言、對藝術的影響以及隨之而來的倫理議題。AI協作：張凱涵、呂紹瑜【講者介紹】楊雨樵專職為口頭傳統與民間譚（Folktale）的跨領域藝術家，從事多年口傳文學與電影的敘事學和比較故事學研究。長年融合聲樂、自由即興與口頭表演藝術，展開實驗聲響系列演出，多次受邀參與國內外藝術節與展覽活動。曾出版多項實驗性文學創作，如聲成像詩集《肸蠁》，並積極與AI生成式藝術進行協作，如漫畫《鵲之終末的目擊者》，以及文字作品《AI之味》、《瞬間城的業餘調查報告》，並受邀為雲門50 鄭宗龍《波》製作網路社群展演系列：〈波的平行宇宙〉。【參考資料】1. 參展藝術家｜台北當代藝術館《你好，人類！》https://www.moca.taipei/tw/ExhibitionAndEvent/Info/%E4%BD%A0%E5%A5%BD%EF%BC%8C%E4%BA%BA%E9%A1%9E%EF%BC%81Hello,*Human!【封面】由 Leonardo.Ai生成：https://cdn.leonardo.ai/users/8bfd3686-c29c-49ed-9995-8cc997cf7313/generations/ada71bd8-2675-47f5-b258-ecab53c13479/Default_In_black_and_white_color_a_hot_pot_body_has_humans_arm_1.jpg【襯樂】片頭：1. Spy Glass by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/4410-spy-glassLicensed: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license2. Data Reveal Sound by PixabayLink & Licensed: Sound Effect from Pixabay">Pixabay">https://pixabay.com/?utm*source=link-attribution&utm*medium=referral&utm*campaign=music&utm*content=6460">Pixabay3. Quick Mechanical Keyboard by SennaFoxyLink & Licensed: Sound Effect by Senna">Senna">https://pixabay.com/users/sennafoxy-17762344/?utm*source=link-attribution&utm*medium=referral&utm*campaign=music&utm*content=14391">Senna from Pixabay">Pixabay">https://pixabay.com/sound-effects//?utm*source=link-attribution&utm*medium=referral&utm*campaign=music&utm*content=14391">Pixabay片尾：Spy Glass by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/4410-spy-glassLicensed: https://filmmusic.io/standard-licenseFB：https://www.facebook.com/TaipeiMoCA聽眾信箱：mocaresearch@mocataipei.org.tw-贊助單位：財團法人紀慧能藝術文化基金會特別感謝：臺北市立建成國民中學

【Episode Introduction】MoCA on Air's special episode, "Dreaming with Machines: AI and the Unconscious in Art," explores the intersection of art and artificial intelligence. Led by AI host AI Keith, the episode features artist collective fuse* discussing their dream-inspired project, Onirica. Through Onirica(), the conversation explores AI's potential to bridge the gap between subjective dream experiences and visual art. Listeners will delve into AI's ability to analyze vast dream datasets, ethical considerations in AI art creation, and the evolving relationship between artists and AI.Download the Transcript夢境機器：藝術中的AI與無意識【節目簡介】MoCA on Air特別節目「夢境機器：藝術中的AI與無意識」，深入探討藝術與人工智慧的交匯點。由AI主持人帶領，本節目邀請了藝術家團隊fuse*分享他們受夢境啟發的創作計畫《Onirica()》。透過Onirica()，本集節目探討AI如何橋接主觀夢境體驗與視覺藝術之間的鴻溝。聽眾將深入了解AI如何分析大量夢境數據、AI藝術創作中的倫理考量，以及藝術家與AI之間不斷發展的關係。點選此處下載本集節目逐字稿【Guest】fuse*Founded in 2007 by Luca Camellini and Mattia Carretti, fuse* is a collective that delves into the intersections between disciplines through multimedia installations and performances. Focused on exploring the potential of emerging technologies in artistic expression, fuse aims to interpret the complexities of human, social, and natural phenomena. Their work seeks to establish new connections between light, space, sound, and movement, exploring the fusion of art and technology. Emphasizing both pure experimentation and collective creativity, fuse* creates works that inspire, suspend the ordinary world, and provoke thought, emotion, and imagination. Their unique aesthetic stands out in the contemporary art landscape.夢境【講者介紹】成立於2007年，由Luca Camellini和Mattia Carretti共同創立，團隊藉由多媒體裝置和表演創作，深入研究不同學科之間的界限，專注於探索新興科技在藝術表達中的可能性，旨在詮釋人類、社會和自然現象的複雜性，並追求在光、空間、聲音和動作之間建立嶄新的聯繫，探索藝術和科技的融合，同時也重視純粹實驗和集體創造力，創造能夠啟發、懸浮尋常世界並激發思考、情感和想像力的作品，其獨特美感在當代藝術領域中脫穎而出。【Host】Voice by AI KeithThe AI voices generated by the curators of the exhibition *Hello, Human! *(AI Keith in English and AI Escher Tsai in Mandarin). Special thanks to "Hello World" for helping to generate the audio files.Content by Google Gemini & MoCA Research TeamThis episode's outline and introduction were crafted with the help of Gemini, a large language model from Google AI.AI prompter：Kai-han Chang and Shao Yu Leu【主持人介紹】聲音—AI Keith由《你好，人類！》兩位展覽策展人生成的AI聲音（英語：AI Keith、華語：AI蔡宏賢），感謝「初未來」協助音檔生成。內容—Google Gemini 與 台北當代藝術館研究組本集大綱與簡介的製作，在 Gemini 的協助下完成。Gemini 是由 Google AI 所開發的大型語言模型。AI協作：張凱涵、呂紹瑜【Music】Intro music:1. Spy Glass by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/4410-spy-glassLicensed: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license2. Data Reveal Sound by PixabayLink & Licensed: Sound Effect from Pixabay">Pixabay">https://pixabay.com/?utm*source=link-attribution&utm*medium=referral&utm*campaign=music&utm*content=6460">Pixabay3. Quick Mechanical Keyboard by SennaFoxyLink & Licensed: Sound Effect by Senna">Senna">https://pixabay.com/users/sennafoxy-17762344/?utm*source=link-attribution&utm*medium=referral&utm*campaign=music&utm*content=14391">Senna from Pixabay">Pixabay">https://pixabay.com/sound-effects//?utm*source=link-attribution&utm*medium=referral&utm*campaign=music&utm*content=14391">PixabayOutro music:Spy Glass by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/4410-spy-glassLicensed: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license【襯樂】片頭：1. Spy Glass by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/4410-spy-glassLicensed: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license2. Data Reveal Sound by PixabayLink & Licensed: Sound Effect from Pixabay">Pixabay">https://pixabay.com/?utm*source=link-attribution&utm*medium=referral&utm*campaign=music&utm*content=6460">Pixabay3. Quick Mechanical Keyboard by SennaFoxyLink & Licensed: Sound Effect by Senna">Senna">https://pixabay.com/users/sennafoxy-17762344/?utm*source=link-attribution&utm*medium=referral&utm*campaign=music&utm*content=14391">Senna from Pixabay">Pixabay">https://pixabay.com/sound-effects//?utm*source=link-attribution&utm*medium=referral&utm*campaign=music&utm*content=14391">Pixabay片尾：Spy Glass by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/4410-spy-glassLicensed: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license【Cover】Generated by Leonardo. Ai: https://cdn.leonardo.ai/users/8bfd3686-c29c-49ed-9995-8cc997cf7313/generations/c292dec2-0da8-4d19-abdd-f24235cf3b4d/Default_In_black_and_white_color_Two_abstract_character_record_0.jpg【封面圖檔】由 Leonardo.Ai 生成：https://cdn.leonardo.ai/users/8bfd3686-c29c-49ed-9995-8cc997cf7313/generations/c292dec2-0da8-4d19-abdd-f24235cf3b4d/Default_In_black_and_white_color_Two_abstract_character_record_0.jpg-FB: https://www.facebook.com/TaipeiMoCAEmail: mocaresearch@mocataipei.org.twSponsor: Hui-Neng Chi Arts and Culture FoundationSpecial Thanks: Jian Cheng Junior High School-FB：https://www.facebook.com/TaipeiMoCA聽眾信箱：mocaresearch@mocataipei.org.tw-贊助單位：財團法人紀慧能藝術文化基金會特別感謝：臺北市立建成國民中學

【節目簡介】電腦螢幕開啟的無數視窗，算不算是大腦記憶的延伸？畫面接管身體的物理經驗，電腦取代大腦的記憶，ChatGPT代替人類承受了郵件客套話的精神折磨。快速瀏覽短影音的人好像不太擁有自主意識，關鍵字在成功召喚出寄存的知識前，只是茫茫資訊海上的浮標，載浮載沉地存在於意識與無意識之間。藝術家鄭先喻與心智哲學研究者林映彤嘗試在既有的框架並不適當，新的框架又尚未產生的尷尬處境下，談那些無意識造成之巨大影響的AI與夢。【大綱標記】01:52 夢的照相機—如何看見別人的夢？05:15 為何談夢？08:15 無意識地瀏覽：螢幕影音取代親身體驗、記憶關鍵字取代記憶知識10:03 科技扮演的角色：模仿人類、與人類互補、成為環境本身12:54 演算法廣告，其實還蠻方便好用？！15:00 用既有的框架，判斷未來的倫理18:01 AI代替寫作業、代替思考、代替創作；代替想像、代替尷尬23:54 AI代替大腦記憶—延伸心智理論25:58 如何與工具相輔相成，不再只是獨立思考的個體？29:34 生成式podcast？【講者介紹】鄭先喻1984年出生於臺灣高雄市，現居住、工作於臺北。台北藝術大學劇場設計系，並於荷蘭格羅䌀根漢斯大學Frank Mohr Institute，Academe Minerva藝術學院取得藝術碩士，現為藝術家與軟體開發人員。創作多以電子裝置、軟體、生物電子䋿驗裝置為主，內容多在探討人類行為、情感、軟體與機械之間的關係，企圖以詼諧的方式去賦予作品某種生命象徵或是存在意義，也是藉此隱喻自身對於周遭環境的體會與觀察。2011年獲得荷蘭young talent入選，2013年獲台北數位藝術獎首獎，2017年獲高雄美術獎新媒體藝術組優選，2019年獲得銅鐘藝術賞，第十九屆台新藝術獎－視覺藝術獎。個展與聯展多為台灣、亞洲與歐洲等地。林映彤國立陽明交通大學心智哲學研究所副教授，德國古騰堡大學哲學博士。專長領域為心智哲學、意識研究、應用倫理學。當前的研究大致聚焦在記憶與想像中的自我經驗、疼痛與受苦經驗以及人與科技之間的關係和倫理議題。【參考資料】1. 鄭先喻-Hijcker: {，}，2019https://chenghsienyu.com/hijacker/- C-LAB｜ {同化者}，2020https://clab.org.tw/news/assimilator_news/2. 王柏瑋｜〈不再超現實的夢境：鄭先喻《Hijcker{，}》中的現實製造問題〉，週刊編輯，2020.08.10https://projectseek.hongfoundation.org.tw/tung-chung-prize/2019/reviews/2020-08-103. 林映彤、王奕然、邱少齊｜〈人類和機器的心智：共享的歷史、共造的社會、共同的內在世界？〉，DIGIARTS臺灣數位藝術，2021https://www.digiarts.org.tw/DigiArts/DataBasePage/4_215449843683006/Chi片頭：Floating Abstract by Coma StudioLink: https://pixabay.com/zh/music/floating-abstract-142819/Licensed: https://pixabay.com/zh/service/license-summary/片尾：Inspiring Noir Piano Waltz by MusicLFilesLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/8785-inspiring-noir-piano-waltzLicense: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license-FB：https://www.facebook.com/TaipeiMoCA聽眾信箱：mocaresearch@mocataipei.org.tw-贊助單位：財團法人紀慧能藝術文化基金會特別感謝：臺北市立建成國民中學

【프로그램 소개】고적, 오래된 건물 그리고 컨테이너 하우스 같은 기존적이고 제한적인 예술공간은 어떻게 해야 장애인들을 위해 완전한 서비스를 제공할 수 있는가?비장애인 예술가와 장애인 예술가라는 구분으로 인해 예술창작 에너지에 관한 토론이 무효화되는 와중에 공간 접근성 점검에 의해 의외로 문화평등권의 정의를 재사고하게 된 계기가 되었다.이번 화는 대만과 한국 예술기관에서 장기적으로 문화평등권 관련업무를 추진해온 리샤우원(李曉雯) 총감독과 서상호 본부장이 함께 장애를 최소화하는 도중에 만난 장애와 해법을 찾는 과정에 관한 이야기를 나눈다.【개요 타임라인】03:40 ‘모여서 큰 나무가 된다.’06:34 정부 정책: 최근에 한국에서 장애인 미술에 힘을 실어주는 정치적인 배경07:04 민간 노력: 서울문화재단 및 부산문화재단의 장기적인 운영07:30 부산 온그루: 도시 유휴지 재활용, 고가도로 밑에 있는 독립문화 마을10:01 타이베이 국제예술촌 현황: 제한적인 공간, 어떤 장애에 초점을 맞춰야 할까?14:10 이분법의 필요성(?)17:05 온전히 정상적인 사람은 존재할까?18:27 붕대에 관한 개인적인 경험, 휠체어의 시각적인 높이, 밴드 터닝포인트27:18 장애 격차를 최소화하는 도중에 만난 장애: 작품에 대한 돌봄자의 지나친 간섭【진행자 및 패널 소개】리샤우원(李曉雯)현재 베이토우(北投)박물관 운영부 총감독을 맡으면서 군인마을부 하트빌리지의 총감독을 겸임하고 있다. 2017년부터 2023년까지 타이베이 국제예술촌 및 보장암 국제예술촌의 총감독을 맡아 레지던시 프로그램으로 문화인재를 양성하며 국내외 기관이 협력할 수 있도록 국제교류를 추진해왔다. 뱀부 커튼 스튜디오 개발감독을 역임하여 박물관과 예술촌 분야에 긴 시간 동안 몸담았다. 문화적인 잠재력을 발굴하고 상상력을 자극하기 위해 지역미술 활동을 꾸준히 참여해왔다.서상호한국의 부산을 기반으로 시각예술과 커뮤니티아트를 중심으로 활동한다. 20여년 오픈스페이스 배(대안공간)을 운영하며 국제레지던시, 공공미술, 예술교육 등 부산의 1세대 비영리 공간을 운영해왔으며 특히 아시아 네트워크구축에 한국의 중심에 있다. 사)비영리전시공간협의회 회장을 15년간 맡으면서 지역미술 활성화. 2014 무빙 트리엔날레-메이드인 부산 운영위원장, 2015 무빙 아트프로젝트 예술감독(시안/중국), 2016 시솽반나 포토비엔날레 커미셔너, 2018 아시아 인 아시아 경남도립미술관, 사)부산비엔날레 바다미술제 전시감독, 제주 2020 예술 곶 산양 레지던시 조성 및 예술감독, 장애예술 창작공간 온그루, 콜렉티브 창작공간 두구를 조성하였다. 부산문화재단 본부장을 역임하고 현재 오픈스페이스 배 대표, 부산비엔날레 집행위원, 부산시립미술관, 부산 moca 작품 수집위원, 대만 HatooS 국제협력 큐레이터, 활동 중이 아시아의 시각예술을 기반으로 다양성 중심으로 장애와 비장애 구분 없는 창작여건에 관심을 두고 있다.【참고자료】1.타이베이 예술 레지던시 프로그램（Artist-in-Residence (AIR) Taipei）https://www.artistvillage.org/planintro.php-타이베이 국제예술촌-보장암 국제예술촌2.Openspace Bae오픈스페이스 배http://www.spacebae.com/w3c/board.php?board=bae&command=skin_insert&exe=insert_iboard_homeARNT예술 레지던시 사이트｜중화민국 문화부https://artres.moc.gov.tw/zh/database/globalContent/53f90c709f8940e5bdf3624c86b531373.부산문화재단BSCFhttp://eng.bscf.or.kr/eng/-온그루http://www.ongrubscf.or.kr/18https://www.instagram.com/ongru_busan/https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000670831257364.서울문화재단SFAChttps://www.sfac.or.kr/english/engMain.do광주문화재단GJCFhttp://www.gjcf.or.kr/en/index.do한국장애인문화예술원Korea Disability Arts & Culture Centerhttps://www.i-eum.or.kr/main/view5.청와대（장애예술인 특별전）국민 품속 청와대 첫 행사, '장애예술인 특별전' 오늘 개막https://www.kocis.go.kr/koreanet/view.do?seq=1042496&menucode=menu0026&langCode=lang001&ctrcode=&searchType=menu0026Cheong Wa Dae’s first exhibition highlights disabled artists | sep 21, 2022https://www.kocis.go.kr/eng/fpcBoard/view.do?seq=1042647&page=7&pageSize=10&photoPageSize=6&totalCount=0&searchType=&searchText=Cheong Wa Dae to host event for works by disabled artists | aug 31, 2023https://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Culture/view?articleId=2378836.보장암 국제예술촌 ’문화평등권 레지던시 프로그램’-쉬로우쥔(徐若鈞), （붕대를 소재로）https://www.artistvillage.org/artist-detail.php?p=4433https://www.artistvillage.org/event-detail.php?p=4435-지앙핑쉬엔(江品萱), （휠체어의 시각적인 높이）https://www.artistvillage.org/artist-detail.php?p=45657.밴드 터닝포인트http://www.ongrubscf.or.kr/278.On:Moments｜2023 Onguru Archive Exhibition - On:Moments Sketch Videohttps://youtu.be/-aAkwYQ_nl4?si=wlqMJOP1NENbm0k1【배경음악】오프닝：Floating Abstract by Coma StudioLink: https://pixabay.com/zh/music/floating-abstract-142819/Licensed: https://pixabay.com/zh/service/license-summary/엔딩：Inspiring Noir Piano Waltz by MusicLFilesLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/8785-inspiring-noir-piano-waltzLicense: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license-페이스북：https://www.facebook.com/TaipeiMoCA청취자 의견함：mocaresearch@mocataipei.org.tw-협찬단체：재단법인 지훼이넝(紀慧能)예술문화재단제작지원：타이베이 시립 건성(建成)국민중학교

【節目簡介】古蹟、老屋、貨櫃屋，既有而有限的藝文場館如何為障礙者提供完整的服務？一般藝術家與障礙藝術家的區分，在藝術創作能量的討論中失效，在空間近用的檢視下卻開啟文化平權定義的再思考。本集由臺灣、韓國兩地藝文機構中長期參與平權推動工作的總監李曉雯和部長徐祥昊，分享各自在弭平障礙差異的路上，遇到障礙與尋找解方的現在進行式。【大綱標記】03:39 「聚在一起，成為一棵大樹」06:49 中央政策：近年韓國推動身心障礙與藝術的政治背景07:37 地方耕耘：首爾與釜山文化基金會的長期經營08:00 釜山Ongru空間—都市閒置區域再利用，高架橋下的獨立文化小村落10:50 臺北國際藝術村現況—空間限制，該針對哪一種障別？14:05 二分法的必要（？）17:02 存在完全正常的人嗎？18:31 繃帶的個人經歷、輪椅的視覺高度、樂團的Turning point27:35 弭平障礙差距的路上遇見的障礙：照顧者對作品的過度干涉【講者介紹】李曉雯現任北投博物館營運部（兼任眷村部中心新村）總監。在2017至2023年期間擔任臺北國際藝術村及寶藏巖國際藝術村總監，以藝術進駐計畫培育文化人才、推動國際交流、開啟與國內外單位的合作。過去曾任竹圍工作室研發總監，長期耕耘在博物館、藝術村領域，持續參與地區性藝術行動、發掘文化潛能、激發想像力。徐祥昊以韓國釜山為據點，主要活動領域為視覺藝術與社區藝術。經營釜山第一代非營利空間Open Space Bae（替代空間），舉辦國際藝術家駐村、公共藝術、藝術教育等活動。擔任非營利展覽空間協議會會長期間，致力於活化區域藝術。打造身心障礙人士藝術創作空間Ongru及集體創作空間TUGU。曾任釜山文化基金會本部長，現為Open Space Bae代表、釜山雙年展執行委員、釜山市立美術館及釜山現代美術館作品收藏委員、臺灣HatooS國際合作策展人。從事藝術活動時，關注的方向為以亞洲視覺藝術為基礎，打造不分障礙和非障礙人士的創作環境，藉以達到藝術多元化的目標。【參考資料】1.臺北藝術進駐計畫（Artist-in-Residence (AIR) Taipei）https://www.artistvillage.org/planintro.php-臺北國際藝術村-寶藏巖國際藝術村2.Openspace Bae오픈스페이스 배http://www.spacebae.com/w3c/board.php?board=bae&command=skin_insert&exe=insert_iboard_homeARNT藝術進駐網｜中華民國文化部https://artres.moc.gov.tw/zh/database/globalContent/53f90c709f8940e5bdf3624c86b531373.釜山文化基金會BSCFhttp://eng.bscf.or.kr/eng/-Onguru空間http://www.ongrubscf.or.kr/18https://www.instagram.com/ongru_busan/https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000670831257364.首爾文化基金會SFAChttps://www.sfac.or.kr/english/engMain.do光州文化基金會GJCFhttp://www.gjcf.or.kr/en/index.do韓國障礙者藝術文化院Korea Disability Arts & Culture Centerhttps://www.i-eum.or.kr/main/view5.青瓦台（障礙者藝術家特別展）국민 품속 청와대 첫 행사, '장애예술인 특별전' 오늘 개막https://www.kocis.go.kr/koreanet/view.do?seq=1042496&menucode=menu0026&langCode=lang001&ctrcode=&searchType=menu0026Cheong Wa Dae’s first exhibition highlights disabled artists | sep 21, 2022https://www.kocis.go.kr/eng/fpcBoard/view.do?seq=1042647&page=7&pageSize=10&photoPageSize=6&totalCount=0&searchType=&searchText=Cheong Wa Dae to host event for works by disabled artists | aug 31, 2023https://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Culture/view?articleId=2378836.寶藏巖國際藝術村「文化平權駐村計畫」-徐若鈞，「與你」（繃帶作為材料）https://www.artistvillage.org/artist-detail.php?p=4433https://www.artistvillage.org/event-detail.php?p=4435-江品萱，《視探》（輪椅的視覺高度）https://www.artistvillage.org/artist-detail.php?p=45657.Turning point樂團http://www.ongrubscf.or.kr/278.On:Moments｜2023 Onguru Archive Exhibition - On:Moments Sketch Videohttps://youtu.be/-aAkwYQ_nl4?si=wlqMJOP1NENbm0k1【襯樂】片頭：Floating Abstract by Coma StudioLink: https://pixabay.com/zh/music/floating-abstract-142819/Licensed: https://pixabay.com/zh/service/license-summary/片尾：Inspiring Noir Piano Waltz by MusicLFilesLink: https://filmmusic.io/song/8785-inspiring-noir-piano-waltzLicense: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license-FB：https://www.facebook.com/TaipeiMoCA聽眾信箱：mocaresearch@mocataipei.org.tw-贊助單位：財團法人紀慧能藝術文化基金會特別感謝：臺北市立建成國民中學