EP514|人生一定要有明確目標嗎?用「微實驗」找到真正適合你的方向 ft. Anne-Laure Le Cunff(全英文訪談)

2026-10-06·48 minutes

Description

📣歡迎前往 YouTube 收看影像版,可選英文字幕或繁體中文字幕▶️https://youtu.be/NOBgHDK3r6w 

▬ ▬ ▬ ▬ ▬ ▬  
📚《微實驗:透過微小的嘗試,探索人生的無限可能》 安蘿爾.勒坎弗(Anne-Laure Le Cunff) 著/三采文化出版 
|三采文化👉 https://bit.ly/4ANvrTX
|博客來👉 https://bit.ly/4rN7M1T
|誠品線上👉 https://bit.ly/4rTquov
|Kobo👉 https://bit.ly/4ALvejX
|讀墨 Readmoo👉 https://bit.ly/4jqiSrx

▬ ▬ ▬ ▬ ▬ ▬
我們很習慣把人生想成一條直線:先決定目標、做好計畫,再努力往前走。但如果現在的我們,其實還不知道真正適合自己的方向呢?

這一集《How to 人生學》,劉軒邀請《微實驗》作者、Ness Labs 創辦人 Anne-Laure Le Cunff,一起聊聊如何用「實驗心態」面對人生的不確定。
與其急著找到正確答案,不如先提出假設、做一個小小的嘗試,再從結果中認識自己。

從 Burning Man 談到 ADHD 與「高度好奇」,從拖延背後真正的原因,到 AI 如何讓我們愈來愈快得到答案,Anne-Laure 提醒我們:很多看似失敗、分心或卡住的時刻,其實都可以被當成一筆資料。

當我們不再要求自己一次就選對,也許反而能保留更多好奇心,一步一步走出真正適合自己的路。

💡 重點段落
(03:02) 面對緊急手術,她第一個反應竟是先看工作行事曆
(11:16) 如何把「控制」轉化成「好奇」?
(13:20) 好奇和分心,在大腦裡其實很像?
(19:50) ADHD 可能是大腦特質與環境的 mismatch?
(26:43) 如何設計屬於自己的「微實驗」?
(29:31) 微實驗和 SMART Goal 有什麼不同?
(32:53) 拖延不是敵人:用 Head、Heart、Hand 找出原因
(38:03) AI 正在讓我們失去「好奇心窗口」嗎?
(45:45) 〔本集練習:當自己人生的人類學家〕

〔當自己人生的人類學家〕

花 24 小時觀察自己的生活:什麼讓你有精神?什麼讓你疲憊?有哪些事情你一直想改變?
先別急著評價自己。從其中一個發現出發,設計一個小小的實驗,試一段時間,再看看你學到了什麼。
重點不是成功,而是多了解自己一點。

▬ ▬ ▬ ▬ ▬ ▬
👩🏻‍🔬安蘿爾.勒坎弗(Anne-Laure Le Cunff)
個人官網👉 https://anne-laure.net
Ness Labs👉 https://nesslabs.com


We tend to think of life as a straight line: choose a goal, make a plan, and then work hard to move forward. But what if, at this point in our lives, we simply don’t know yet which direction is truly right for us?

In this episode, Xuan Liu is joined by Anne-Laure Le Cunff, author of *Tiny Experiments *and founder of Ness Labs, to explore how an experimental mindset can help us navigate uncertainty. Instead of rushing to find the “right” answer, what if we started with a hypothesis, tried something small, and learned about ourselves from the results?

From Burning Man to ADHD and “hyper-curiosity,” from the real reasons behind procrastination to the way AI is giving us answers faster than ever, Anne-Laure reminds us that moments that look like failure, distraction, or getting stuck can all be treated as useful data.

When we stop demanding that we get it right on the first try, we may be able to hold on to more of our curiosity and gradually find a path that truly fits us.

💡 Key Moments
(03:02) Facing emergency surgery, her first reaction was to check her work calendar
(11:16) How can we turn “control” into “curiosity”?
(13:20) Curiosity and distraction may look surprisingly similar in the brain
(19:50) Could ADHD be a mismatch between the brain and its environment?
(26:43) How to design your own “tiny experiment”
(29:31) What’s the difference between a tiny experiment and a SMART goal?
(32:53) Procrastination isn’t the enemy: using Head, Heart, and Hand to find the real cause
(38:03) Is AI shrinking our “curiosity window”?
(45:45) [This Episode’s Exercise]

[Be an Anthropologist of Your Own Life]
Spend 24 hours observing your own life: What gives you energy? What drains you? What are some things you’ve been wanting to change?
Before judging yourself, simply observe. Choose one thing you notice, design a small experiment around it, try it for a period of time, and then reflect on what you learned.
The goal isn’t to succeed. It’s to understand yourself a little better.

▬ ▬ ▬ ▬ ▬ ▬
👩🏻‍🔬 Anne-Laure Le Cunff
Personal website 👉 https://anne-laure.net
Ness Labs 👉 https://nesslabs.com
--
Hosting provided by SoundOn